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Kay Lintern
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:32 pm
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Is Peter Sutcliffe the real Yorkshire Ripper? Or is he the copycat killer
that was being hunted during the 1970's/1980's? Did he admit to the 13
murders in a deal made with the police It was known by many that the police
were looking for two or more people involved in these murders. Why has
there been no mention of the other person/s being sought in connection
to the murders since the arrest and imprisonment of Peter Sutcliffe Since
accepting his confessions, the police etc, closed the case. There was
definitely more than one person involved in the murders...This was stated
by the police themselves and was also publicised by many newspapers. What
happened to the search for this 'other' person/s Why did police close
the case after Peter Sutcliffe's confessions to all 13 murders when these
confessions were just accepted as gospel without even being investigated
thoroughly Is anyone else interested in the truth of this matter and concerned
about the fact that there are so many unsolved murders
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bradfurd lad
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:27 pm
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the police also thought he was a geordie, nuff said about yet another
conspiracy theory.
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Colin Peters
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:36 pm
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You might get some answers from a chap called Noel O'Gara who has written
a book called 'The Real Yorkshire Ripper.'
I've misplaced it at the moment but if you type the title in on Google
it should bring it up.
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onewisemonkey
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:13 pm
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I think Peter Sutcliffe also killed Diana, planted all four 7/7 bombs
and flew a cruise missile into the Pentagon
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DaNnY_2007
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:18 pm
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[quote="onewisemonkey"]I think Peter Sutcliffe also killed Diana,
planted all four 7/7 bombs and flew a cruise missile into the Pentagon[/quote]
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mixtar
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:43 pm
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Look how many motorists theyve been able to hound by not looking for anyone
else! Jeez...even sutcliffe had to basicaly give himself up, or theyd
still be looking for him!
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onewisemonkey
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:50 pm
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[quote="mixtar"]Look how many motorists theyve been able to
hound by not looking for anyone else! Jeez...even sutcliffe had to basicaly
give himself up, or theyd still be looking for him! [/quote]
Wasn't he caught for a motoring offence? nicking number plates IIRC
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mixtar
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:11 am
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[quote="onewisemonkey"][quote="mixtar"]Look how many
motorists theyve been able to hound by not looking for anyone else! Jeez...even
sutcliffe had to basicaly give himself up, or theyd still be looking for
him! [/quote]
Wasn't he caught for a motoring offence? nicking number plates IIRC[/quote]Then
i feel sorry for him! Another hounded motorist! Thats probably why theyve
continued with such vigour...in the hope that one day Bin Laden and the
likes will show-up sporting a dodgy rear light.
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Wandering Sheep
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:55 pm
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He should have being 'Hung from his Ballocks'
That's the only way for those people.
The nice way doesn't work!
Bah.
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drnh
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:10 pm
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^^ indeed
If it were a bad dog, it would have been put down
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The Monk
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:20 pm
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[quote="Wandering Sheep"]He should have being 'Hung from his
Ballocks'
That's the only way for those people.
The nice way doesn't work!
Bah.[/quote]
some people pay good cash for stuff like that
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onewisemonkey
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:19 pm
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[quote="Wandering Sheep"]He should have being 'Hung from his
Ballocks'
That's the only way for those people.
The nice way doesn't work!
Bah.[/quote]
Bit harsh for knicking car number plates?
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Baht At
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:15 pm
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I remember the police (expletive deleted) about on this - I was about
13 at the time but because I lived in the "area" I was interviewed
as a suspect.
You have to wonder how thick most plod are to do this.
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mickfly
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:32 pm
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Funny how Kay asks for opinions, then never returns.
Tell me Bah Tat, what hobbies did you have at thirteen?
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Wandering Sheep
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:35 pm
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Bah tat, Did you make sure you got a receipt & Certificate?
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I was pulled up a few times by plod while out in my marina and as I was
an electrician they always took a great interest in my tools
seriously though if the police then had the benefit of computer databases
and DNA testing in the late 1970s then I have no doubt that he would have
been caught much sooner.
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Wandering Sheep
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:38 pm
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[quote="bradfurd lad"]I was pulled up a few times by plod while
out in my marina and as I was an electrician they always took a great
interest in my tools
I bet the Lady Cops did??
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Wandering Sheep
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:45 pm
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The silly thing about those times was most men had a look of Sutcliffe,
They had beards.
It was amazing how he did the murders and then turned up at Barratts
the following morning to drive a lorry!
It was like living a double life to him.
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mixtar
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:40 pm
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You were thirteen baht at??? Bloody hell i had you down as about 65 today.
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Kay Lintern
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:55 pm
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Apologies for my absence Mickfly! Computer crashed and had to have it
repaired. Just got back on line in last 30 mins and am checking out comments/views.
Am very tired tho so may get back to it 2mrw.
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joey3
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:40 am
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Interesting post K and well it is a fact that Sutcliffe was eliminated
12 times at least because his blood group didnt match the letter writer
who had left bites on two victims which revealed the Ripper's rare blood
group.
I agree it was on the record that there was a copycat killer involved
also.
I dont trust the police and lets face it they still insist the the Birmingham
6 were the real bombers.
problem is we are a police run state and the media are their spin doctors.
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Rory Kroot
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:47 pm
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What kind of 13 year old attracts Ripper Enquiry detectives? Interviewed
as a SUSPECT?!!!! You must've been (must be?) one CREEPY individual.
As for thick plods? What age do you suggest murderers be eliminated from
investigation? Fourteen? That would leave an awful lot of psychopathic
young killers roaming the streets today, wouldn't it? James Bulger's killers
would've been out there murdering for another few years before they fit
into your tidy little murderer's pigeon-hole.
A thirteen year old male ( especially one who's behaviour attracts the
Murder Squad) is easily capable of smacking a lady over the head with
a hammer and of inflicting fatal injuries.
The Ripper, despite the lack of computerised systems, WAS identified
as the number 1 suspect by a BRADFORD detective constable called Andy
Laptew.
The subsequent failures to arrest Sutcliffe sem to be down to internal
one-upmanship between Leeds and Bradford detectives, and high ranking
intransigence.
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Colin Peters
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:54 pm
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joey3 wrote:
Interesting post K and well it is a fact that Sutcliffe was eliminated
12 times at least because his blood group didnt match the letter writer
who had left bites on two victims which revealed the Ripper's rare blood
group.
I agree it was on the record that there was a copycat killer involved
also.
I dont trust the police and lets face it they still insist the the Birmingham
6 were the real bombers.
problem is we are a police run state and the media are their spin doctors.
As I understand it, Sutcliffe was the copycat killer since the forensics
tied him in to just four of the killings. It looks like he admitted to
them all because he wanted some kind of warped celebrity status.
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mickfly
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:27 pm
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[quote="Colin Peters"]As I understand it, Sutcliffe was the
copycat killer since the forensics tied him in to just four of the killings.
[/quote]
Finally, we have a posting from a Police Officer!
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joey3
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:24 am
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As I understand it, Sutcliffe was the copycat killer since the forensics
tied him in to just four of the killings. It looks like he admitted to
them all because he wanted some kind of warped celebrity status.[/quote]
Dick Holland a retired Superintendant offered him a deal for his confessions
and he was offered no trial and a mental hospital place.
strange deal if he was the real Ripper.
Holland was the cop who framed Stefan Kiszko for murder and he was exhonerated
in 1992 I think so it makes me wonder if Sutcliffe is the Ripper.
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Rory Kroot
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:52 am
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joey3 wrote:
Holland was the cop who framed Stefan Kiszko for murder and he was exhonerated
in 1992.
That's a pretty brave statement to make, and it's one that I personally
wouldn't post unless I had a bottomless pit of money to fight a libel
case. Maybe best to ask for it to be removed, it could save a lot of grief.
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Baht At
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:24 pm
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Rory Kroot wrote:
joey3 wrote:
Holland was the cop who framed Stefan Kiszko for murder and he was exhonerated
in 1992.
That's a pretty brave statement to make, and it's one that I personally
wouldn't post unless I had a bottomless pit of money to fight a libel
case. Maybe best to ask for it to be removed, it could save a lot of grief.
In case you've forgotten truth is an absolute defense against libel and
I can't see any jury thinking that the police behind Kiszko's conviction
were anything other than wholly disgusting and dishonest.
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Rory Kroot
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:02 pm
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[/quote]In case you've forgotten truth is an absolute defense against
libel and I can't see any jury thinking that the police behind Kiszko's
conviction were anything other than wholly disgusting and dishonest.[/quote]
Wrong. PROOF of the truth is an absolute defence. This names an individual
directly, and if you actually believe what you say then repeat the accusation
yourself. I'll ensure it is brought to the attention of the interested
parties, and we can then have your theory tested to see if it's correct.
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Baht At
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:07 pm
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Rory Kroot wrote:
In case you've forgotten truth is an absolute defense against libel and
I can't see any jury thinking that the police behind Kiszko's conviction
were anything other than wholly disgusting and dishonest.[/quote]
Wrong. PROOF of the truth is an absolute defence. This names an individual
directly, and if you actually believe what you say then repeat the accusation
yourself. I'll ensure it is brought to the attention of the interested
parties, and we can then have your theory tested to see if it's correct.[/quote]
Holland was the cop who framed Stefan Kiszko for murder and he was exhonerated
in 1992 I think so it makes me wonder if Sutcliffe is the Ripper
now (expletive deleted) off you stupid (expletive deleted).
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Rory Kroot
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:14 pm
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Baht At wrote:
Rory Kroot wrote:
In case you've forgotten truth is an absolute defense against libel and
I can't see any jury thinking that the police behind Kiszko's conviction
were anything other than wholly disgusting and dishonest.
Wrong. PROOF of the truth is an absolute defence. This names an individual
directly, and if you actually believe what you say then repeat the accusation
yourself. I'll ensure it is brought to the attention of the interested
parties, and we can then have your theory tested to see if it's correct.[/quote]
Holland was the cop who framed Stefan Kiszko for murder and he was exhonerated
in 1992 I think so it makes me wonder if Sutcliffe is the Ripper
now (expletive deleted) off you stupid (expletive deleted).[/quote]
Ooo, diddums! Hated forum contributor in loss of control shock! But thanks
for hanging yourself. I hate to let out rope without it being put to good
use. I'll see what I can do.
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Baht At
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:24 pm
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Rory Kroot wrote:
Baht At wrote:
Rory Kroot wrote:
In case you've forgotten truth is an absolute defense against libel and
I can't see any jury thinking that the police behind Kiszko's conviction
were anything other than wholly disgusting and dishonest.
Wrong. PROOF of the truth is an absolute defence. This names an individual
directly, and if you actually believe what you say then repeat the accusation
yourself. I'll ensure it is brought to the attention of the interested
parties, and we can then have your theory tested to see if it's correct.
Holland was the cop who framed Stefan Kiszko for murder and he was exhonerated
in 1992 I think so it makes me wonder if Sutcliffe is the Ripper
now (expletive deleted) off you stupid (expletive deleted).[/quote]
Ooo, diddums! Hated forum contributor in loss of control shock! But thanks
for hanging yourself. I hate to let out rope without it being put to good
use. I'll see what I can do.[/quote]
oooo complete (expletive deleted) asks to be exposed as a complete (expletive
deleted) .... you've been called you w-anker.
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Rory Kroot
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So, what we've got here is a western culture hating, anti-British, pro-Islamic,
agrophobic, impotent rabble rouser who's love life comes downloaded from
the internet. Thank god you're on here, easy meat.
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Baht At
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:34 pm
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Rory Kroot wrote:
So, what we've got here is a western culture hating, anti-British, pro-Islamic,
agrophobic, impotent rabble rouser who's love life comes downloaded from
the internet. Thank god you're on here, easy meat.
If I hate what you like then I'm sure I'm better than you. Not that hating
yankie bastards is to be admired unless you are a decent english gent.
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joey3
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:38 pm
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[
Ooo, diddums! Hated forum contributor in loss of control shock! But thanks
for hanging yourself. I hate to let out rope without it being put to good
use. I'll see what I can do.[/quote]
Relax diddums. Holland was actually charged in court along with a forensic
scientist Richard Outteridge in 1994 with fabricating evidence against
Kiszko but the magistrate dismissed the charges because of the length
of time that elapsed and memories fading etc not to mention that poor
Stefan Kiszko was dead and his grieving mother only died the day before
they were charged.
Holland got off because he had a good solicitor, none other than Kerry
MacGill who practiced in Bradford and now sits as a crown court judge.
MacGill had been instrumental in doing the deal for Sutcliffe with Holland
years earlier and they needed each other like every bent cop needs a bent
solicitor.
Goes to show that some cops are decent fellows and were anxious to get
Holland to pay for his crimes but they were trumped by a bent judiciary.
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Rory Kroot
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Baht At wrote:
Rory Kroot wrote:
So, what we've got here is a western culture hating, anti-British, pro-Islamic,
agrophobic, impotent rabble rouser who's love life comes downloaded from
the internet. Thank god you're on here, easy meat.
If I hate what you like then I'm sure I'm better than you. Not that hating
yankie bastards is to be admired unless you are a decent english gent.
Ha! See what I mean? Says he hates racists, then says he hates a particular
people.
Nurse! That strange man's out of bed again!
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Baht At
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:44 pm
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Rory Kroot wrote:
Baht At wrote:
Rory Kroot wrote:
So, what we've got here is a western culture hating, anti-British, pro-Islamic,
agrophobic, impotent rabble rouser who's love life comes downloaded from
the internet. Thank god you're on here, easy meat.
If I hate what you like then I'm sure I'm better than you. Not that hating
yankie bastards is to be admired unless you are a decent english gent.
Ha! See what I mean? Says he hates racists, then says he hates a particular
people.
Nurse! That strange man's out of bed again!
yanks are a people? I thought they were just invaders destroying native
people.
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Rory Kroot
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The doctor will see you shortly. Footy's on. Ta ta!
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Baht At
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Rory Kroot wrote:
The doctor will see you shortly. Footy's on. Ta ta!
He watches football rather than rugger need more be said about his class?
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Joy Merryweather
Joined: 16 Jan 2007
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Location: No longer in the dump that is Bradford thank God
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:15 pm
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Rory Kroot wrote:
joey3 wrote:
Holland was the cop who framed Stefan Kiszko for murder and he was exhonerated
in 1992.
That's a pretty brave statement to make, and it's one that I personally
wouldn't post unless I had a bottomless pit of money to fight a libel
case.
You can't libel the dead. Holland died a couple of days ago, so unless
he decides to haunt Baht At for the rest of his natural there's not a
lot he can do about it. His family on the other hand...
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Baht At
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:23 pm
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Joy Merryweather wrote:
Rory Kroot wrote:
joey3 wrote:
Holland was the cop who framed Stefan Kiszko for murder and he was exhonerated
in 1992.
That's a pretty brave statement to make, and it's one that I personally
wouldn't post unless I had a bottomless pit of money to fight a libel
case.
You can't libel the dead. Holland died a couple of days ago, so unless
he decides to haunt Baht At for the rest of his natural there's not a
lot he can do about it. His family on the other hand...
Bugger I was hoping that he was alive to fulfill the tw*ts boast.
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Joy Merryweather
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Location: No longer in the dump that is Bradford thank God
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:26 pm
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Baht At wrote:
Bugger I was hoping that he was alive to fulfill the tw*ts boast.
Died on the 17th of cancer. Surely the T&A must have covered his
death - it's rather more newsworthy than most of the rubbish they print.
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Baht At
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:29 pm
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Joy Merryweather wrote:
Baht At wrote:
Bugger I was hoping that he was alive to fulfill the tw*ts boast.
Died on the 17th of cancer. Surely the T&A must have covered his
death - it's rather more newsworthy than most of the rubbish they print.
I guess I didn't see the "lying (expletive deleted) that fitted up
loads of innocent people dies" headline.
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Rory Kroot
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Baht At wrote:
Joy Merryweather wrote:
Baht At wrote:
Bugger I was hoping that he was alive to fulfill the tw*ts boast.
Died on the 17th of cancer. Surely the T&A must have covered his
death - it's rather more newsworthy than most of the rubbish they print.
I guess I didn't see the "lying (expletive deleted) that fitted up
loads of innocent people dies" headline.
This is GREAT stuff!
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[ Surely the T&A must have covered his death - it's rather more newsworthy
than most of the rubbish they print.[/quote]I guess I didn't see the "lying
(expletive deleted) that fitted up loads of innocent people dies"
headline.[/quote]
Nothing about Holland's death on their web site but the YP have it.
The T knows too much about Holland and his sham life as a cop to tallk
about him.
Last time I saw him on TV telling the same old lies, he looked like death
warmed up.
That man had a lot of guilt on his mind and he knew that he was instrumental
in locking up loonie Sutcliffe and thereby letting the real Ripper get
away. Not a nice thing to have on your mind if you were a cop who had
been fooling the public for twenty years or more with fabricated confessions
of nutters just to pretend you solved the case.
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If anyone has evidence of corruption against anyone involved in either
the Kisko or Ripper enquiries they should bring it into the public domain,
not least for the public good and for the families of Kisko and the murdered
women.
If the T & A has knowledge of such things it MUST publish what it
knows (as opposed to what it thinks it knows).
Snide comments and conjecture purely based on being anti-police helps
nobody.
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[quote="Rory Kroot"]If anyone has evidence of corruption against
anyone involved in either the Kisko or Ripper enquiries they should bring
it into the public domain, not least for the public good and for the families
of Kisko and the murdered women.
If the T & A has knowledge of such things it MUST publish what it
knows (as opposed to what it thinks it knows).
Snide comments and conjecture purely based on being anti-police helps
nobody.[/quote]
Rory:
It sounds like you are accusing these people of making wild assumptions,
which is hardly fair when you look at some of the posts.
These folks KNOW that 7/7 was a Gov't setup.
These folks KNOW that 9/11 was a Gov't setup.
These folks KNOW that the Ripper conviction was a Gov't setup.
Surely they can't be wrong, they have proof (well, they know a website
that says it has proof).
One of these folks KNOWS that ALL coppers are bastuards
One of these folks KNOWS that ALL middle class people a tw*ts
One of these folks KNOWS that he is always right. (because he is our 'better',
and everyone who disagrees is a racist, or a chav, or gay, or Muslim,
or female.)
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Sorry Mickfly. You've seen through me again.
I'll go sit in a darkened room in sackcloth and ashes until I learn to
act normal.
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Rory Kroot wrote:
Sorry Mickfly. You've seen through me again.
I'll go sit in a darkened room in sackcloth and ashes until I learn to
act normal.
fly Mick is so clever and he knows how to change the subject so well althought
I fail so see a connection between 7/7 and Dick Holland's crimes aganst
Kiszko.
When Kiszko was tried for murder Holland had forensic evidence in his
possession that would have cleared him and the scientist knew that also
because he had checked it under the microscope and told Holland in his
report about Kiszko not matching the killer's profile. It is likely that
the legal team for the prosecution knew this also and the CPS who examined
and set up the prosecution. I guess Holland was not alone in knowing that
Kiszko was innocent before and during his trial for murder and for the
16 years that he protested his innocence.
That puts a lot of guilty consconscous out there but Holland was the most
publicly exposed and the instigator of the crime against Kiszko because
he forced the confession out of Kiszko and that was all he needed.
I imagine Holland framed many an innocent man over his career of crime
fighting.
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Colin Peters
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[quote="Kay Lintern -- Sutcliffe was always eyeing up young school
girls...Yuk In fact, the day after Carol's murder, I remember 2 girls
being involved in an incident outside our school gates, (Eccleshill Grammer).
A man fitting Sutcliffe's description attacked them. A few days later,
I read in the Telegraph that police said this was fabricated. IT WAS NOT
FABRICATED. Those poor girls must have and must still be devastated at
the fact that they were called liars and told to go away No wonder people
have lost faith in British Justice. So many proven false convictions,
so many true crimes that are ignored Where do you go from there [/quote]
Where do you go indeed Kay.
I am relying wholly upon my memory now since I have misplaced the book
which was my point of reference, but, as I recall, didn't Sutcliffe start
off his murderous career as a paedophile?
I remember reading of a little girl who was killed and abused in much
the same manner as little Lesley Molseed.
Both were killed, mutilated, and masturbated over, and a car very much
like the one that Sutcliffe owned at that time was reported to have been
in the vicinity.
It could well be that Sutcliffe switched from little girls to adult women
in order to emulate his hero who emerged on the scene at that time, The
Real Yorkshire Ripper.
The modus operandi on his four known adult victims was the same, killed,
mutilated, and masturbated over.
There's got to be a limit to the number of sickos who were operating at
that time in the same area.
As I say, I am relying on my memory at the moment, but, if I am wrong,
I am willing to stand corrected, and, if I am considered to be right I
would ask to be supported by anyone out there with more knowledge than
myself.
It is very very possible that two innocent men have been inmprisoned for
murders committed by Sutcliffe whilst Sutcliffe himself is happy to take
the rap for murders in which he had no part. The whole scenario is pure
evil.
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joey3
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 14
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:34 pm
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[quote It is very very possible that two innocent men have been inmprisoned
for murders committed by Sutcliffe whilst Sutcliffe himself is happy to
take the rap for murders in which he had no part. The whole scenario is
pure evil.[/quote]
Actually Sutcliffe has written a book about his crimes in which he now
claims that he didnt do all the murders he was convicted of.
That was reported by the News of the World and the Sunday Mirror in 2005
but the book never surfaced for obvious reasons.
Sutcliffe now claims that he is not the Ripper.
I think I can see why the local papers will not tell the public the truth
because they never questioned these convictions when they happened and
simply accepted the words spoken in court and reported the proceedings
like dummies.
It was all done to satisfy the public demand to solve the case at any
price.
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andycapp
Joined: 18 Dec 2006
Posts: 179
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:35 pm
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Rory Kroot wrote:
What kind of 13 year old attracts Ripper Enquiry detectives? Interviewed
as a SUSPECT?!!!! You must've been (must be?) one CREEPY individual.
As for thick plods? What age do you suggest murderers be eliminated from
investigation? Fourteen? That would leave an awful lot of psychopathic
young killers roaming the streets today, wouldn't it? James Bulger's killers
would've been out there murdering for another few years before they fit
into your tidy little murderer's pigeon-hole.
A thirteen year old male ( especially one who's behaviour attracts the
Murder Squad) is easily capable of smacking a lady over the head with
a hammer and of inflicting fatal injuries.
The Ripper, despite the lack of computerised systems, WAS identified
as the number 1 suspect by a BRADFORD detective constable called Andy
Laptew.
The subsequent failures to arrest Sutcliffe sem to be down to internal
one-upmanship between Leeds and Bradford detectives, and high ranking
intransigence.
It didn't help that the head of the investigation George Oldfield was
an alcoholic. The detective who filed andy Laptew's report was from huddersfield!
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Is this the real life or is this fantasy
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joey3
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 14
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:27 am
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andycapp wrote:
Rory Kroot wrote:
The Ripper, despite the lack of computerised systems, WAS identified as
the number 1 suspect by a BRADFORD detective constable called Andy Laptew.
The subsequent failures to arrest Sutcliffe sem to be down to internal
one-upmanship between Leeds and Bradford detectives, and high ranking
intransigence.
It didn't help that the head of the investigation George Oldfield was
an alcoholic. The detective who filed andy Laptew's report was from huddersfield!
Sutcliffe was indeed identified as a hot suspect by Bradford cop Andy
Laptew but bear in mind that the police were focussing the hunt exclusively
for the Ripper who had B blood and a big gap in his top front teeth. Sutcliffe
had neither and thats why Laptew's report was shelved.
The fact that they knew full well that there was a copycat killer involved
who had committed some of the murders was not followed up because of their
fixation with catching the Ripper. The copycat killer was never looked
for after Sutcliffe confessed to the lot.
Now Sutcliffe is claiming that he is not the Ripper.
When he was arrested of course Laptew was shocked but he didnt have access
to the real eliminating factors which Dick Holland and George Oldfield
retained for a small band of trusted tecs at Ripper HQ.
The bulk of the police were not entrusted with the real clues to his identity
because Oldfield and co wanted to be the ones to collar the Ripper who
was taunting them with his letters and murders.
Sutcliffe, the serial nutter and masturbator was offered no trial and
10 years in the mental home in return for his confessions to the lot.
What killer could pass that offer up especially after Dick Holland gave
his solicitor certain assurances.
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Colin Peters
Joined: 18 Dec 2006
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Sutcliffe, the serial nutter and masturbator was offered no trial and
10 years in the mental home in return for his confessions to the lot.
What killer could pass that offer up especially after Dick Holland gave
his solicitor certain assurances.
What proof do you have Joey3 that Sutcliffe was made this offer and what
possible assurances could Dick Holland have given his solicitors in persuading
them into going along with this deception? Who were these solicitors and
what possible interest could they have had in going along with these deceptions?
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joey3
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 14
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:19 pm
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Colin Peters wrote:
What proof do you have Joey3 that Sutcliffe was made this offer and what
possible assurances could Dick Holland have given his solicitors in persuading
them into going along with this deception? Who were these solicitors and
what possible interest could they have had in going along with these deceptions?
I actually read most of the books written about the Ripper and I've been
to Leeds and Bradford libraries and read all the reports of the case especialy
in 1980 and the arrest and trial of Sutcliffe.
Two things stand out in all the reports of the trial which was strictly
a test of his sanity and there was no hard evidence of the crimes adduced.
The trial was simply a test of sanity as to whether the court should accept
his plea of diminished responsibility because that was the plea and he
was told he would be free in about 10 years under that deal.
Sutcliffe was offered that deal by Dick Holland throught his solicitor
Kerry MacGill who was a junior solicitor with the Bradford firm Lumb and
Kenningham. MacGill also acted for Dick Holland when Holland was charged
with withholding evidence in the Kiszko case and got him off that rap.
He is now a crown court judge in Bradford court so you can see his career
took off after the Ripper case made his name.
Two Prison officers gave evidence in court that Sutcliffe told them of
this deal while awaiting his committal to the mental and he confidently
told them that his court case would only be a formality to get the judge
to approve the deal. He said a room had been reserved for him in the hospital.
However the judge didnt approve the plea and a trial of his sanity ensued.
The police and CPS had 4 of the nation's top criminal psychiatrists in
court who all gave evidence that Sutcliffe was mad and that was done in
support of the plea.
He was found by the jury to be sane and answerable for his crimes or
rather the crimes of the Ripper and then the was sent down without any
further trial which should have been based on the evidence of the crimes
and the injuries to the victims.
Of course the many ladies he had assaulted, Marilyn Moore, Maureen Long
and Mrs Smelt and Rogulsky were able to identify him as their attacker
and that looked very convincing that he was the Ripper.
However prior to his arrest these attacks and two murders were in a grey
area and the police were not sure that these assaults were the work of
the Ripper or a copycat killer who was emulating the Ripper but one thing
was for certain on the record and that was that there were two killers
involved in the Ripper frame, the Ripper and the copycat killer who tried
to copy the Ripper.
Sutcliffe fits that profile perfectly.
As for the interest of the solicitor you should know that a solicitor
will try to get the best possible deal for his client and that is the
nature of their business. I dont think it is right for such a wheeler
dealer attitude in solving murders but the record of our courts shows
that that is how they do it.
In my book MacGill was wrong not to look at the evidence and ask himself
did his client really commit all the crimes he is confessing to and also
ask himself why the police were offering him such leniency for all these
confessions, given that he could get a life sentence for one murder alone.
It seems he took the easy route of accepting the word of Dick Holland
that his client was the Ripper.
If Sutcliffe really was responsible for all the crimes he confessed to
why on earth would they not want to have him convicted in open court and
put away for the rest of his life without any chance of parole?
Why do any sort of deal with this man unless they couldnt prove he was
the Ripper forensically and bear in mind that he had been eliminated 12
times already on these grounds?
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Colin Peters
Joined: 18 Dec 2006
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:40 am
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Sutcliffe was offered that deal by Dick Holland throught his solicitor
Kerry MacGill who was a junior solicitor with the Bradford firm Lumb and
Kenningham. MacGill also acted for Dick Holland when Holland was charged
with withholding evidence in the Kiszko case and got him off that rap.
He is now a crown court judge in Bradford court so you can see his career
took off after the Ripper case made his name.
these grounds?
Thank you Joey3.
So much now becomes clear.
Sutcliffes chosen solicitors at that time, Lumb and Kenningham, were a
firm which specialised in legally aided perversions of justice, and these
perversions were not confined to their being party to just Sutcliffes
fantasies.
Back in those days they must have been the choice of any crook 'in the
know' who wanted to pervert justice.
They got behind a conman named Dennis Bottomley in procuring him £32,000
worth of legal aid to evade a debt of just £6,173 due to
myself.
If you want to see how it was done then please take a look at my website.
I am also aware of a chap from Australia who has been posting defaming
items on the internet about members of this same firm of solicitors.
As the saying goes, "There is no smoke without fire."
Perhaps any official investigation concerning the rpper case should begin
with this firm and their proven propensity towards anything fraudulent.
Do you agree?
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joey3
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 14
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:39 am
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[quote Thank you Joey3.
So much now becomes clear.
Sutcliffes chosen solicitors at that time, Lumb and Kenningham, were a
firm which specialised in legally aided perversions of justice, and these
perversions were not confined to their being party to just Sutcliffes
fantasies.
Back in those days they must have been the choice of any crook 'in the
know' who wanted to pervert justice.
They got behind a conman named Dennis Bottomley in procuring him £32,000
worth of legal aid to evade a debt of just £6,173 due to
myself.
If you want to see how it was done then please take a look at my website.
I am also aware of a chap from Australia who has been posting defaming
items on the internet about members of this same firm of solicitors.
As the saying goes, "There is no smoke without fire."
Perhaps any official investigation concerning the rpper case should begin
with this firm and their proven propensity towards anything fraudulent.
Do you agree?[/quote]
The partners are long gone and retired having been judges later.
I think you should confine yourself to the Ripper in this thread and not
get diverted into pursuing your private grudges against something that
you feel you were conned out of many years ago.
The reason for this is obvious. Nobody gives a damn about your debts or
money worries of twenty years back because we all have financial problems
today and there isnt a man or woman in Bradford who has not been ripped
off sometime in their lives.
The Ripper however is on a different plane and you should be careful not
to confuse them.
Several women in Bradford were murdered by both him and his copycat killer
Sutcliffe and several more assaulted by Sutcliffe in his efforts to become
the Ripper.
Police corruption on a massive scale was involved in this conviction and
the media support of a flawed conviction is a study that some will be
astonished at.
The real Killer is still a free man and several murders have taken place
in the interval and that should be the focus of this thread.
Have you a wife or daughters?
Do you not think their safety is more important than whinging about a
debt of twenty years back.
Our security for our life and our family is the primary matter in everyones
life and without that you have nothing.
For that security we pay the police and we have had a very shoddy return
with Dick Holland who I understand is being buried tomorrow in Huddersfield.
No doubt he will have full police honours and the usual obsequies and
the papers will report the lies as they are spoken.
Meanwhile his crimes go unnoticed and are concealed by his media protectors
who have always given him their uncritical support in the interests of
not rocking a boat that is rotten to the core.
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Colin Peters
Joined: 18 Dec 2006
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:34 pm
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Our security for our life and our family is the primary matter in everyones
life and without that you have nothing.
At least you got that bit above right Joey3.
I was not, as you put it, 'whinging' about a twenty years old debt.
Money is not everything.
I was pointing out that the firm of solicitors involved with the ripper
were the same firm who played an active part in legally aiding and abetting
their client, Dennis Bottomley, to pursue his crime of fraud against me
through the legal system.
The crime of fraud, not a poxy debt.
You have the nerve to berate me and trivialise my experiences when, in
view of your own words above, it is obvious that you know nothing of my
experiences at the hands of these crooks.
I lost my home and property and everything that I had because of them.
Even worse, when poverty walks in, love walks out, and after she could
not take any more of the Final Demands and the visits from Bailliffs itemising
and valuing our possessions, ready to seize them, my wife left me, taking
our daughter with her.
When that happened I truly had lost everything.
I have a school group photograph of my daughter taken shortly after her
leaving me and even now, all these years later, it still screws me up
inside just to look at it.
I have shown it to several people, including a mutual friend who can
confirm, and have asked them to point out the most unhappiest looking
child. Every time they have pointed to my daughter.
The actions of corrupt money grabbing lawyers legally aiding a crooked
scumbag wrecked my little girls childhood.
These were the same firm of solicitors who you are making your allegations
about and I thought that adding my own experiences of them might reinforce
your own claims and perhaps prompt others who have suffered at their hands
to come forward and be counted.
On the subject of money, I will point out that on the last page of my
website I ask for none for myself, but that Bottomley has his illegally
gained assets seized under the proceeds of crime act.
The reason I wrote this is because I have submitted the website to anyone
and everyone who might have the power to correct this injustice.
To date I have had no luck with The West Yorkshire Police, the courts,
quite a few MPs including Tony Blair and John Reid and Gerry Sutcliffe
of the Home Office.
When we are pointing out the misdeeds of lawyers this is what we're up
against.
That's my lot. Now go and row your own boat
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mickfly
Joined: 03 Feb 2007
Posts: 385
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:55 pm
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Colin:
"I was pointing out that the firm of solicitors involved with the
ripper were the same firm who played an active part in legally aiding
and abetting their client, Dennis Bottomley, to pursue his crime of fraud
against me through the legal system. "
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" ...legally aiding and abetting their client..."
That's what they are paid to do, and they would do the same for you.
It doesn't mean it's right, but it is real life.
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joey3
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 14
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:42 am
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Colin Peters wrote:
Our security for our life and our family is the primary matter in everyones
life and without that you have nothing.
At least you got that bit above right Joey3.
I was not, as you put it, 'whinging' about a twenty years old debt.
Money is not everything.
I was pointing out that the firm of solicitors involved with the ripper
were the same firm who played an active part in legally aiding and abetting
their client, Dennis Bottomley, to pursue his crime of fraud against me
through the legal system.
The crime of fraud, not a poxy debt.
You have the nerve to berate me and trivialise my experiences when, in
view of your own words above, it is obvious that you know nothing of my
experiences at the hands of these crooks.
I lost my home and property and everything that I had because of them.
Even worse, when poverty walks in, love walks out, and after she could
not take any more of the Final Demands and the visits from Bailliffs itemising
and valuing our possessions, ready to seize them, my wife left me, taking
our daughter with her.
When that happened I truly had lost everything.
I have a school group photograph of my daughter taken shortly after her
leaving me and even now, all these years later, it still screws me up
inside just to look at it.
I have shown it to several people, including a mutual friend who can
confirm, and have asked them to point out the most unhappiest looking
child. Every time they have pointed to my daughter.
The actions of corrupt money grabbing lawyers legally aiding a crooked
scumbag wrecked my little girls childhood.
These were the same firm of solicitors who you are making your allegations
about and I thought that adding my own experiences of them might reinforce
your own claims and perhaps prompt others who have suffered at their hands
to come forward and be counted.
On the subject of money, I will point out that on the last page of my
website I ask for none for myself, but that Bottomley has his illegally
gained assets seized under the proceeds of crime act.
The reason I wrote this is because I have submitted the website to anyone
and everyone who might have the power to correct this injustice.
To date I have had no luck with The West Yorkshire Police, the courts,
quite a few MPs including Tony Blair and John Reid and Gerry Sutcliffe
of the Home Office.
When we are pointing out the misdeeds of lawyers this is what we're up
against.
That's my lot. Now go and row your own boat
Well sorry about that Colin but you only mentioned the debt or way you
were allegedly defrauded. Now I see that you lost more than that and I
understand why you feel so bad to the law firm that acted for Sutcliffe
and got him such a good deal after he murdered innocent women and seriously
assaulted lots more.
Not to mention that law firm believed he was the Ripper a man who had
terrorised the whole country for five years and they bent all the rules
to get a sweet deal for him from cops who were bent on drawing a line
under each murder and then declaring those cases solved.
Now I am truly sorry for your great loss of a loving family and I understand
your emotion.
However we must not lose sight of the other victims whose lives were taken
in such a vile way and the many children who were orphaned by this man
and all their families and friends and neighbours and the fear that he
instilled into every person who read about his crimes as they happened
over five years.
How could the police whom we pay to protect us take the confessions of
a lunatic copycat killer, Sutcliffe and write the whole case as closed.
How could they not recognise that there was another killer even more calculating
than Sutcliffe who had benefitted by the confessions of Sutcliffe who
was glad it was all over. His first words after he confessed to being
the Ripper.
Can you imagine even a petty thief admitting his crime unless he was caught
bang to rights?
Even your own child admitting he took your change from your pocket?
And the Ripper says he is glad its all over and gives himself up.
That Colin is the admission of a copycat killer who believed he was the
Ripper.
Perhaps now that Dick Holland is dead and buried today, the T and A might
take the claims that there were two killers involved in the Ripper case
more seriously and investigate the evidence.
I watched the former deputy Chairman of the West Yorkshire police authority,
Bradford man Ronald Warren on tv last October stating that at the time
of the arrest they knew that there were two killers involved in the Ripper
frame and two different blood groups. He said that the senior police alll
knew that.
A new investigation might expose the corruption that took place during
that trial and save more lives and innocent victims. The facts are all
on the record but they have failed to address them, not least the fact
that Sutcliffe is now saying that he is not the Ripper.
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wizard
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Posts: 40
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:56 am
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To be honest this is the most interesting topic I have read on this forum.
I was unaware of many of the points raised by Joey3 and Colin Peters I
know that my eyes have been well and truly opened! It really doesn't suprise
me to find the Mp's named have done nothing, it is a thing they all exell
at. I hope enough can be done to make sure the case is re-examined, it
seems the original has gone to ground since Sutcliffe was arrested, or
are there any more twists to the tale that Iam unaware of? Colin I can
only add my sympathy to the words of Joey3 knowing that this is scant
comfort to you. What you lost can never be replaced. Lawyers see this
sort of thing as doing their jobs, he who pays the piper calls the tune.
It is a shame, but I heard it said that "there is the law, and there
is justice2 what you got was a sample of the law! Now as Joey3 says we
can only hope the real killer is brought to justice, because as he rightly
points out as long as this is the case women are never really safe..
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Colin Peters
Joined: 18 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:16 pm
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mickfly wrote:
Colin:
"I was pointing out that the firm of solicitors involved with the
ripper were the same firm who played an active part in legally aiding
and abetting their client, Dennis Bottomley, to pursue his crime of fraud
against me through the legal system. "
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" ...legally aiding and abetting their client..."
That's what they are paid to do, and they would do the same for you.
It doesn't mean it's right, but it is real life.
Thank you mickfly. I'll be brief because, as joey3 pointed out, this is
the Ripper thread, an important one which should not be diverted from,
even inadvertently.
Bottomley got a legal aid certificate on one pack of lies and a judgement,
favourable to himself, on another pack of lies.
The proof of his first set of lies was made known to his lawyers at the
very start.
It was their duty to inform the legal aid board and have the certificate
withdrawn because it was an abuse of public funds.
That is the law.
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mickfly
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Sometimes you have to give up Colin.
Get on with, and re-build your life.
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Kay Lintern
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Posts: 11
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:16 pm
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[quote="wizard"]To be honest this is the most interesting topic
I have read on this forum. I was unaware of many of the points raised
by Joey3 and Colin Peters I know that my eyes have been well and truly
opened! It really doesn't suprise me to find the Mp's named have done
nothing, it is a thing they all exell at. I hope enough can be done to
make sure the case is re-examined, it seems the original has gone to ground
since Sutcliffe was arrested, or are there any more twists to the tale
that Iam unaware of? Colin I can only add my sympathy to the words of
Joey3 knowing that this is scant comfort to you. What you lost can never
be replaced. Lawyers see this sort of thing as doing their jobs, he who
pays the piper calls the tune. It is a shame, but I heard it said that
"there is the law, and there is justice2 what you got was a sample
of the law! Now as Joey3 says we can only hope the real killer is brought
to justice, because as he rightly points out as long as this is the case
women are never really safe..[/quote]
I also sincerely hope this is re-investigated...After growing up in Bradford,
I left when I had my first child, because of the horror of the Ripper
reign. Even though my first child was a son, I was still a mother and
any woman at that time was at risk. As they still are now, all these years
later as the REAL RIPPER continues to laugh at the law and terrorise and
murder innocent women. Funny how in the last 12 months there has been
a lot of publicity surrounding the Ripper, and Sutcliffe is still being
named as the one . The Hoaxer has suddenly been caught! Coincidental eh?
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Kay Lintern
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Posts: 14
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:35 pm
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And still no-one asks what happened to the search for the 'other killer(s)'.
Crimes from 30 years ago are suddenly surfacing for re-investigation after
new 'DNA' techniques have provided 'fresh new evidence'! Yet, after someone
is released on appeal after serving 22 years on a false murder conviction,
the murder case remains solved and closed. No-one asks 'who killed Carol
Wilkinson'? No-one has been held accountable for taking the life of a
young 20 year old girl who had her whole life ahead of her. No-one has
to answer for ruining the life of a young man, taking his freedom for
22 years, putting him through absolute hell and back. All he got was SORRY.
What a joke!!! And they don't even have the decency to look for her real
killer. How much unrest the spirit of Carol must be going through along
with all the victims of the RIPPER. And we are supposed to accept that
we are protected by the law. God is the only protector I have faith in.
Funny, too, I feel, that the Ripper Hoaxer just suddenly got caught just
when sutcliffe's convictions were being questioned!!! Yet another innocent
man I feel has been falsley convicted. Keeps the heat off the questions
being asked, and diverts the publics' attention I think! Maybe a public
demo is needed???
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mickfly
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I'd like to see someone list some SOLID provable facts here, otherwise
it's just speculation and conjecture.
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Mazdaman
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Bullshine I call it.
Just who is this Kay Lintern anyway?
Conspiracy theories..who loves um eh?
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joey3
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 17
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mickfly wrote:
I'd like to see someone list some SOLID provable facts here, otherwise
it's just speculation and conjecture.
Ok How about the fact that the police were trying unsuccessfully to get
doctors to go through the medical records of their patients in 1980 to
identify all men of a certain age who had the rare one in sixteen B blood
group. Traces of this rare blood group were found in semen in some of
the Ripper victims, McCann Richardson and Rytka and on the saliva which
was found on the bite marks on the left breast which were his hallmarks
on Joan Harrison in Preston and Josephine Whattaker in Halifax.
The Ripper had a large gap in the top front of his teeth.
Thats why the cops were so sure they could identify him if ever they could
get hold of him and also the reason why Sutcliffe was eliminated so many
times as the Ripper.
Because he was the copy cat killer and had assaulted all the victims mistakenly
listed in the Ripper frame, the police kept coming back to him and also
because of the fact that his crimes were in the Ripper frame, this disturbed
nutcase Peter Sutcliffe actually believed he was the Ripper.
But the West Yorkshire police whose main quarry was the Ripper knew better
and had repeatedly eliminated him until such time as he went to Sheffield
red light area, spent four days there and managed to get arrested and
started to tell those police that he was the Yorkshire Ripper.
The South Yorkshire police didnt know what the West Yorkshire police knew
and they believed they had bagged the Ripper.
The Ripper bit Joan Harrison and Josephine Whittaker on the breast identically
leaving the track of his teeth and his B blood salive so that the police
knew it was him again. His letter to Oldfield with B blood salive on the
label coincided with these crimes as they happened.
When he was arrested, the Lancashire police wouldnt accept Sutcliffe's
confessions to their murder while the west Yorkshire police wanted to
close the whole case with him.
Sutcliffe is O blood group and has not got a large gap in his teeth top
front. He actually has a tiny gap in the centre but all this forensic
evidence never saw the light of day in court because of the deal which
included no trial for his confessions.
When Laptew came to see him, his wife Sonia gave him a solid alibi for
the night of the murder of Barbara Leach outside Bradford university and
only a strool from Ripper HQ. They were in Rockafella's disco and this
alibi was verified by Laptew.
It was also the reason his wife believed he was not the Ripper because
she was well aware he was a suspect.
It only takes one time to eliminate a suspect and the reason they kept
coming back to Sutcliffe was because he resembled the photofit picture
of himself as recalled by all the girls he assaulted. The police had assumed
the Ripper hadnt time to finish these jobs off and perhaps was disturbed
by a motorist. This was a wrong assumption.
Marcella Claxton actually saw Sutcliffe masturbating after he struck her
and she described him accurately. She doesnt believe Sutcliffe is the
Ripper.
Remember Yvonne Pearson who lay buried for three months under a setee
near Lumb Lane?
The killer returned to the body a few times. Once to put a newspaper under
it with an article about the Rytka murder, and next time to expose her
arm which led to her discovery the next day. The Bradford police stated
that it was the work of a copycat killer, someone trying to emulate the
Ripper.
Someone mentioned about more murders.
Since 1981 some 120 prostitutes have been murdered in Britain most of
them unsolved and we saw how the police were out of their depth in the
recent Ipswich case where they arrested two men for the five murders and
charged one saying the other is still a suspect. This case has focused
attention on the Ripper case and hopefully there will be no deals for
confessions in this one.
Another provable fact is that Dick Holland, the cop who did the deal
for Sutcliffe's confessions was the same man who knowingly framed the
innocent Stefan Kiszko for murder. There were other deals also.
I for one dont believe Sutcliffe is the Ripper but he is a killer and
has done several murders some of which are classed in the Ripper frame
and some more which were not examined because of the unwanted spotlight
that would bring to his conviction.
The murder K Lintern referred to is one clear example of this and was
linked to the Pearson murder by the pathologist.
While the police continue to insist that Sutcliffe is the one and only
Ripper they are most reluctant to reopen this particular can of worms
because of the way they handled it in the end and it must be clear that
if Sutcliffe was framed for murders he didnt commit then the real Ripper
is still at large somewhere.
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Kay Lintern
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Posts: 14
Location: Earth
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:52 pm
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[quote="Mazdaman"]Bullshine I call it.
Just who is this Kay Lintern anyway?
Conspiracy theories..who loves um eh?[/quote]
I am a person who, as a child, saw Peter Sutcliffe in my house, chatting
with my then step father, who by the way, was also a pervert. Sutcliffe
was mending a motor on our chest freezer!!! I was also a close friend
of Carol Wilkinson and her family! So this (expletive deleted) that you
refer to is quite close to my heart. Sutcliffe, like i have already stated,
was interested in young girls, not prostitutes. I knew a lot of people
that were called in as suspects for the RIPPER. A lot of those people
gave statements that Sutcliffe was perving on the Ravenscliffe estate.
ON YOUNG GIRLS AND...NOT PROSTITUTES. I dont love conspiracy theories
in the slightest. I am though, a seeker of justice and truth, for the
sake of the future of my children. I would hate to think one of my sons
was stitched up for something the didnt do, or that one of my daughters
were murdered and that their death was so un-important that it doesnt
even warrent the time of the police to investigate who actually killed
her!!!
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Geordie Armani
Joined: 04 Mar 2007
Posts: 3
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:06 pm
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hi, I have read everything pertaining to the case of the yorkshire ripper
and kate well done for trying to bring this out into the open. I have
tried repeatedly and got nowhere!
What I can't understand is that there is a killer walking free and no
one does anything about it. Sutcliffe was not the ripper, he was a copycat
killer.
GA
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Kay Lintern
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Posts: 14
Location: Earth
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:40 am
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[quote="Geordie Armani"]hi, I have read everything pertaining
to the case of the yorkshire ripper and kate well done for trying to bring
this out into the open. I have tried repeatedly and got nowhere!
What I can't understand is that there is a killer walking free and no
one does anything about it. Sutcliffe was not the ripper, he was a copycat
killer.
GA[/quote]
Thank you GA. Glad there is someone out there that doesn't think I am
a complete Conspiracy freak!! There is a book called The REAL Yorkshire
Ripper that was first published in 1989 by a chap called Noel O'Gara.
I suggest any doubters out there should obtain a copy and read the real
facts for themselves. And GA, I will keep persisting with this one until
it is re-investigated, or until i die...whichever is the sooner! I think
Sutcliffe killed my friend Carol. He was certainly a regular visitor to
Ravenscliffe at the time. I believe that is why there has been no re-investigation.
They wouldn't have to re-open the case and waste public money if they
already knew they had her killer behind bars eh? And if not, then why
are they not looking for anyone else???? They won't even visit me to take
a statement. Been trying for years to give police this info. They don't
want to know. I find that strange in itself!!!!!
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Geordie Armani
Joined: 04 Mar 2007
Posts: 3
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:14 pm
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I am 100% behind you girl, Noel is a good friend of mine and I have read
his book more than a few times and have also read other material relating
to the case. All the documentaries I have seen are also a bit odd.
something willl happen one of these odd days!!! I just don't know why
no one is prepared to listen to Noel or any of his campaigners for that
matter. As for conspiracy theoeries!!! this is murder and a killer walking
free , please!
GA
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joey3
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 17
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:57 am
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Geordie Armani wrote:
I am 100% behind you girl, Noel is a good friend of mine and I have read
his book more than a few times and have also read other material relating
to the case. All the documentaries I have seen are also a bit odd.
something willl happen one of these odd days!!! I just don't know why
no one is prepared to listen to Noel or any of his campaigners for that
matter. As for conspiracy theoeries!!! this is murder and a killer walking
free , please!
GA
Bradford is a city that is dominated by the T and A for news and information.
The smaller papers in outlying areas are owned by the same people and
they support the status quo or the police line of events.
Leeds is similarly dominated by the Y P and they report crime as the courts
deal with it which is always pro police and establishment.
When miscarriages of justice take place the innocent are ignored and sidelined
and left to rot.
Meanwhile the real murderers are free and they know how the system works.
Perhaps that explains why the Real Ripper was so confident that he would
never be exposed.
Dick Holland always got the microphone and was endlessly allowed to say
they made mistakes when the reality was that they had fitted up a lunatic
copycat killer and let the real killer off the hook.
The sad thing was that they were given the identity of the real killer
but they just werent smart enough to nail him because of their methods
and infighting.
But they didnt bargain for the internet where we can all publish our stories
without having to break the barrier of censorship.
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joey3
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 17
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:38 am
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[quote="Kay Lintern
They won't even visit me to take a statement. Been trying for years to
give police this info. They don't want to know. I find that strange in
itself!!!!![/quote]
When one of their own was shot dead in the travel agency they made such
a fuss over that and the media reported every last word of it ad nauseum.
They really pulled out all the stops in their pursuit of the killers and
they got them with the aid of the cameras. The policewoman will be a hero
forever but really she was a foolish cop walking in unarmed on a robbery
in progress. Now who else would do this only a policewoman? Even a brave
have a go man would exercise caution and wait for his chance to do something.
The chief constable Colin Cramphorn made a lot of noise at her funeral
but now he is dead also. They gave him a big send off for services rendered
mainly to himself and his cronies.
Why then if they are so diligent and caring do they not got to see Kay
and investigate her evidence?
Is she a nutter like Sutcliffe or just a caring citizen who has information
that the police need to solve a serious crime of murder?
It makes one see that they are only self serving and their service is
all a PR job dont to enhance the lie that they care about solving crime.
In that pursuit they are assisted by the T and A and the other media outlets
to (expletive deleted) the public and keep them under control.
Does anybody remember that the police were looking for an Irishman in
the early stages of the Yorkshire Ripper investigation?
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Kay Lintern
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Posts: 14
Location: Earth
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:38 pm
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Yes. I remember the search for a bearded Irish man with large hairy hands.
(Surprise, surprise, I hear all you critics say)! But you must remember,
my childhood was spent in Bradford, so I remember quite a lot. The newspapers
published articles on this subject on a few occasions. It was also the
subject of gossip locally. It was mentioned by some 'working girls' and
other local people that there was a bearded Irish man, who looked very
respectable and was always smartly dressed, that was a frequent visitor
to pubs in the Manningham area and was also in Lumb Lane (the red light
street at that time) on a number of occasions.
If my memory serves me right, these occasions coincided with times of
murders that were committed in the Bradford/Leeds areas.
Of those who talked about him, there were a few who stated that he made
them feel quite uncomfortable when he was around, even though he looked
smart and respectable. There was a photo fit of him published by the T
& A, and it was said that there was a 'remarkable' resemblance to
Peter Sutcliffe. That would explain the hunt for 2 or more killers eh?
They even looked alike. The search for him ceased when Sutcliffe was convicted.
Coincidence?? I certainly don't think so. Would like to hear others' opinions
on this if they remember it.
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Colin Peters
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:59 am
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There was a photo fit of him published by the T & A, and it was said
that there was a 'remarkable' resemblance to Peter Sutcliffe. That would
explain the hunt for 2 or more killers eh? They even looked alike. The
search for him ceased when Sutcliffe was convicted. Coincidence?? I certainly
don't think so. Would like to hear others' opinions on this if they remember
it.[/quote]
I do not recall the photo of the alleged ripper being published by the
T & A so I cannot comment on that one, but it occurs to me that, since
Sutcliffe, as the copy cat ripper, was responsible for some of the atrocities,
then, of course his own surviving victims will have given accurate descriptions
of him.
If you will check out Noel Ogaras book 'The Real Yorkshire Ripper', I
think that you will find that there were several photofits issued some
of which looked like Sutcliffe and other, nothing like.
All of the available evidence seems to lend weight to Ron Warrens assertion,
at that time, that there were, not one, but two rippers, one of whom was
the copycat of the other.
If this was not the case, how do you explain one killers blood group
(DNA)being found on one set of victims and a dfferent blood group on the
rest?
Come on the great Bradford public. This is of concern to all right minded
people. Get yourselves involved and take part in getting the record set
straight.
The issue is simple. Was Sutcliffe the real ripper or not, and if he
wasn't,
who was, and where is he now?
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joey3
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 17
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:47 pm
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[quote="Colin Peters Come on the great Bradford public. This is of
concern to all right minded people. Get yourselves involved and take part
in getting the record set straight.The issue is simple. Was Sutcliffe
the real ripper or not, and if he wasn't, who was, and where is he now?[/quote]
Allow me to jog your memory. When Tina Atkinson was found murdered in
her flat in Manningham the police released a photofit of a stocky bearded
Irish suspect. Can anybody remember that?
Tina was the only Ripper victim murdered indoors.
Superintendant John Domaille was the policeman who made the appeal and
the photofit was published in the T and A.
John Domaille said that that a similarly described stocky bearded man
was wanted in connection with some of the prostitute murders in Leeds.
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Baht At
Joined: 04 Jan 2007
Posts: 690
Location: Bradford/Heckmondwike
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:22 pm
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Mazdaman wrote:
This is all good and well but what I want to know is this.............when
will Julian Rhodes sack Colin Todd?
Its about as relevant.
nah the question there is who will shoot JR?
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Mazdaman
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
Posts: 178
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:57 pm
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Well my money is on one of the 25 year season ticket holders.
But back to the topic for a moment. This book by Noel 0'Gara .....how
come Billy Tracey has not sued O'gara for plastering all this stuff in
print?
How come the Police have not taken much more of an interest after reading
this book as they surely must have done.
How come there is not a public outcry over this rather than just soon
loons on an obscure internet message board bleating about miscarrages
of justice?
I think its pretty much the same as that video about 9/11 being the work
of the CIA thats doing the rounds.......a load of (expletive deleted).
.....and O'Gara stands to make lots of money from tools that buy his work
of fiction.
Excuse me if I have missed something for I could not bring myself to read
all of the website....I have a very good copy of Viz to finish off instead.
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Colin Peters
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:52 am
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[. This book by Noel 0'Gara .....how come Billy Tracey has not sued O'gara
for plastering all this stuff in print?'
Possibly, because it would not be in Traceys interests to do so???
'How come the Police have not taken much more of an interest after reading
this book as they surely must have done.'
Possibly, because it would not be in the interests of the police to do
so?
How come there is not a public outcry over this rather than just soon
loons on an obscure internet message board bleating about miscarrages
of justice?
Possibly, because the public are more in tune with, and comfortable with,
the fictional goings on in Coronation Street rather than the harsh realities
of life.
One of these realities is that the police have/had forensic evidence
in proof of Sutcliffe NOT being the Yorkshire Ripper
1.
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Mazdaman
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
Posts: 178
Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:04 am
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Nah my friend you'll have to do better than that. Its still internet gossip
and nothing has been proved by anyone.
F.ook me this Viz is a real good read.
So you're telling me that todays top coppers are still crapping themselves
over something that their predecessors did a quater of a century ago.
Are you lot the same people that think the moon landings were filmed
in a Hollywood basement?.....dearie me.
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joey3
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 24
Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:56 pm
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Mazdaman wrote:
Nah my friend you'll have to do better than that. Its still internet gossip
and nothing has been proved by anyone.
F.ook me this Viz is a real good read.
So you're telling me that todays top coppers are still crapping themselves
over something that their predecessors did a quater of a century ago.
Are you lot the same people that think the moon landings were filmed
in a Hollywood basement?.....dearie me. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
you are too wrapped up in Viz to be in touch with reality pal.
Read Kay Linterns posts to this thread and think about them. She lives
in Bradford and has evidence that the police are unwilling to even look
at.
If it was you who knew it, who would believe you if you told a story llike
that?
Actually the chief constable Colin Cramphorn wasnt crapping himself at
all. He dropped dead on the 29th november last when he realized that the
whole police conspiracy to frame the Ripper and John Humble was in the
public domain.
do you think the police are going to explain to the public how they framed
a lunatic as the Ripper?
They certainly satisfied the public and people like you by convincing
them that they had caught the Ripper and in a way that was great for you
but what about the other victims and the public who are still at risk?
Now go back to Viz and dream on in your fantasy world but there are some
amongst us who live in the real world and want the real killers brought
to justice.
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mixtar
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Posts: 141
Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:10 pm
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Quote:
Actually the chief constable Colin Cramphorn wasnt crapping himself at
all. He dropped dead on the 29th november last when he realized that the
whole police conspiracy to frame the Ripper and John Humble was in the
public domain.
That was a bit of a severe move , wasnt it? The cancer was a total irelevence
then?
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Mazdaman
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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Indeed a good point Mixtar. All this rubbish is heresay and internet scaremongering.
Cramphorn died of cancer not because he had found out that sh.ite like
this was swimming around in cyberland.
Now until anyone actually provides any hard evidence I think its best
left alone.....Peter Sutcliffe was and is The Yorkshire Ripper and justice
was done...end of.
Thats my own opinion of course and I'm quite happy with it.
By the way how come no one has gone to Sky News for just one example with
this stuff as I'm sure they would give you more time than I obviously
do.
Read this .execulink/~kbrannen/tracey.htm
Place www at the front and .com after .execulink
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joey3
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mixtar wrote:
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That was a bit of a severe move , wasnt it? The cancer was a total irelevence
then? :roll:[/quote]
he was being treated for prostate cancer as are thousands of men of 50
but he died suddenly on the job.
Cramphorn had the best of medical care and advice and if it was terminal
a successor whould have been appointed well before the fateful day. He
expected to be in office for several months more before his retirement.
His death was not from the cancer.
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mixtar
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Quote:
he was being treated for prostate cancer as are thousands of men of 50
but he died suddenly on the job.
No he didnt, hed given up.What are you saying? He was worried to death
of being found out? The fact that he was terminal didnt take precedence
in his thinking in any way? If you say so.
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joey3
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mixtar wrote:
Quote:
he was being treated for prostate cancer as are thousands of men of 50
but he died suddenly on the job.
No he didnt, hed given up.What are you saying? He was worried to death
of being found out? The fact that he was terminal didnt take precedence
in his thinking in any way? If you say so. :roll:
He got this letter on the morning he dropped dead. Before he collapsed
he had summoned McLean to his office and got into a blazing row with him
and naturally Mc blamed him being the boss who gave him the order to arrest
and frame the patsy Castree. Castree is still on remand and has not even
entered a plea yet.
THE RONALD CASTREE STITCH-UP IN PROGRESS
To Mr Ronald Castree
Remand prisoner in Armley Prison.
Dear Ronald,
I wrote a book about the Yorkshire Ripper and the Molseed murder features
in it.
I am writing to you directly because I know you have no friends where
you are now and please write back to say if you got my letter.
Under article 6 (1) of the European convention on human rights your human
rights would be breached if the prison authorities prevented you writing
to anybody or receiving letters. Keep that firmly in mind as they may
try to keep you isolated in order to work on you.
I know you are innocent of the charges against you for reasons I will
explain.
I’m sure you heard of the Birmingham six?
The Guildford four?
Stefan Kiszko?
Judith Ward?
Anthony Steel?
And many other innocent people who have been forced to confess to crimes.
Some corrupt police have ways of making you confess by breaking your will.
I understand you were questioned about another matter and that was probably
used against you. They pick on vulnerable people and try to get confessions
to crimes they really need to solve in any way possible. McLean has already
been to the victim’s family and your own family and
been brainwashing them that you are the killer to turn them all against
you in order to leave you with no support.
Let’s face it Ronald, if they had the hard evidence
that you were the killer of Lesley Molseed why would they interrogate
you for 48 hours and why even ask for a confession? They have no hard
evidence. All that talk about DNA is total fabrication designed to convince
you that you will be convicted and then they will offer you a deal with
leniency and promise you a short sentence and no trial but only if you
confess. They haven’t an ounce of real evidence against
you and you are vulnerable simply because you have no alibi since it happened
31 years ago.
Kiszko actually had a sound alibi but she was on holiday in Italy during
his sham trial and his useless lawyers never even protested this fact.
The poor fellow was clearly set up and you are in line for the same treatment
now.
They tried to convince Mr Terry Hawkshaw that he was the Yorkshire Ripper
and told him he may not even be aware of his Jeckyl and Hyde personality
when he was in his normal mind.
So relax Ronald I can help you to prove your innocence. I know you are
not responsible for that murder simply because there is a strong case
that Peter Sutcliffe is the killer of Lesley Molseed and the police are
desperate to conceal that line of enquiry, because they have fooled everyone
into thinking that he is the Ripper rather than a lunatic copycat killer
who was framed by them and they let the real Ripper get away. They need
to convict a fall guy to get that murder off the books. Perhaps that explains
why there has been such a lot of interest in this particular 31 year old
murder when there are hundreds of unsolved murders in Britain every year.
This one is special because of the Ripper.
Sutcliffe actually assaulted a 14 year old girl in Silsden near Bradford
about two months before the Molseed murder. He masturbated over her also.
His semen was put under the microscope and he is reported to be nearly
sterile. He was unable to have children.
Would you think that there was more than one lunatic who masturbated on
young girls, in that area and at that time?
You are in danger of becoming a second Kiszko now because there are a
few corrupt cops who are desperate to close this case for good, just to
protect themselves for letting the real Ripper get away.
The Real Yorkshire Ripper, Billy Tracey, a man who used to work for me
is still at large and living freely in London.
They are capable of framing you by saying they have DNA evidence that
is so infinitely minute that nobody could verify it, but remember that
the evidence if they have any, has been so contaminated with chemicals
etc by so many experts and handlers over many years that it is impossible
to prove, but they will not tell you that. All the evidence was destroyed
about 15 years ago probably by Dick Holland who was going to trial himself
for framing Kiszko and now they are saying that this evidence has reappeared.
They will lie like hell to convince you that you did it and that they
can prove it, even if they haven’t a scrap of proof.
Don’t fall into their trap.
They framed Sutcliffe as the Ripper.
They framed Richard Webb as the killer of Josephine Gross Nicklaus.
They framed Anthony Steel as the killer of Carole Wilkinson.
They framed Stefan Kiszko as the killer of Lesley Molseed.
They framed Judith Ward as the bus bomber.
They framed John Humble as the hoaxer.
They would love to frame Humble as the killer of Joan Harrison in
Preston.
Now they are trying to frame you as the killer of Lesley
Molseed because that unsolved murder appears to have Sutcliffe's prints
all over it. It’s not an impressive record for the
West Yorkshire police, so bear it in mind.
Now the main points that proved you are innocent are as follows and you
should study them carefully.
1. Alleged evidence of new techniques of getting a DNA profile is a blatant
lie to fool suspects into confessing. Particularly as in this case the
evidence, ie clothes of the victim was destroyed.
2. After 31 years anyway the sample if indeed we were to believe that
there was some still in existence, would be unidentifiable because of
the time lapse and natural erosion, obsolescence and decomposition of
everything over time in this natural world we inhabit. They will tell
you otherwise and they won’t tell you about how vulnerable
any evidence is to contamination by police handlers, laboratory technicians
or store keepers who organize the boxes of evidence.
3. Records of the semen that was used to convict Kiszko could be used
by you to prove that it doesn’t match your semen type
because as I recall that semen was almost sterile while Kiszko was completely
sterile. Your semen is most likely very prolific and the proof is that
you have several children. Kiszko was incapable of producing children
by his semen. That evidence alone would eliminate you for this murder
and this is something McLean overlooked in his rush to frame you.
4. 48 hours of interrogation. They said ‘questioning’
but you know that is not the correct word for it. If they had the evidence
to prove you were the killer why question you at all?
5. The team of police and scientists who are involved in your arrest are
the same team who framed John Humble with fake DNA as the Ripper hoaxer.
Humble was a drunk and he attempted to murder his own brother and that’s
how they forced him to cooperate and confess to being the hoaxer but he
did not write the letters.
6. The rogue cop, Max McLean, most likely planted your DNA on something
they claim is belonging to the victim, so watch out for him. There are
a lot of decent cops out there trying to do their best but a few bent
ass holes like him screw them all up and does them all a grave disservice.
He is controlling your case, just as Chris Gregg controlled Humble’s
case.
7. Can you remember the car you had if any at the time of the murder?
They were looking for a Morris?, a white car with red markings of some
kind?. The killer had to be a motorist to get to that outlying area. Perhaps
you didn’t even have a car or a drivers license then?
8. I read that your lawyer is Jonathan Rose. If that is true you need
a different lawyer. He co-wrote a book with a policeman in 1997, after
Kiszko died, blaming Raymond Hewlett as the killer of Lesley Molseed.
He was wrong with that too but it was done at the time to take suspicion
away from Sutcliffe. Be careful Ronald, you are surrounded by poisonous
snakes. The only reason they couldn’t charge Hewlett
at that time was because all the evidence was destroyed but now it seems
McLean has personally resurrected it and I tell you he is a blatant liar.
He is used to this all through his career so its easy for him to lie because
he has gotten away with so many stitch ups in the courts and lying to
the press.
9. The sub microscopic DNA they claim to have is a fabrication. How could
they get that if they don’t have the original semen
samples that were used in the Kiszko case to convict him? This new alleged
DNA is supposed to be an infallible print but it has to come from the
semen left on the victims clothing and that shows a sperm count different
to yours. It’s a lie and they don’t
have any such thing so you let them prove it to a jury and their bluff
will be called. However they will drop the charges before that happens.
If there was enough honest police in the force they would arrest the rogue
McLean for attempting to frame you before it goes any further not to mention
the way he has misled them.
10. It was reported that you were arrested nine months before this latest
arrest on another matter and DNA was then taken from you. If their DNA
evidence was half as good as they pretend it is, why did it take them
nine months to identify you as the killer? For the past three years they
have been saying that they can eliminate a suspect very quickly with a
simple swab test.
Ronald, you are in serious trouble with a gang of liars who will lie and
cheat just to get a conviction and get that murder off their unsolved
list. Will you please write to me when you get this letter and I would
be willing to travel to Leeds and meet you but you must give consent first.
Finally, be careful who you talk to there as McLean is liable to plant
a snitch in with you to testify against you and he will lie that you confessed
the Molseed murder to him if he is promised early release.
Noel O’Gara
PS.
I have sent a copy of this letter to your MP’s, the
judge, the local newspapers and other media and also to the Chief Constable
of West Yorkshire, Colin Cramphorn.
Colin Cramphorn, a fit man of 50 dropped dead after he read it because
he knew at that moment that the coordinated stitch up that he had been
instrumental in supervising of John Humble and Ronald Castree was about
to fall apart. Nobody drops dead from prostate cancer and especially not
a fit policeman who would be getting the best of medical attention and
who would have left his job if it was advanced. Cramphorn died of shock
and horror with a seizure after a blazing row with Det Chief Superintendant
Max McLean who was blaming him.
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Mazdaman
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
Posts: 178
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:41 am
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You need to see a doctor my friend or you're gonna end up swapping jokes
with Cramphorn if you believe in that s.hit.
I tell you what I'll send you a copy of Viz for free......makes better
reading now its time for the gym for me...thats how important this rubbish
is...next please
Are you and Kay Lentil on commission for sales of O'Gara's book by any
chance?
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Kay Lintern
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Posts: 18
Location: Earth
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:46 am
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Mazdaman wrote:
You need to see a doctor my friend or you're gonna end up swapping jokes
with Cramphorn if you believe in that s.hit.
I tell you what I'll send you a copy of Viz for free......makes better
reading now its time for the gym for me...thats how important this rubbish
is...next please
Are you and Kay Lentil on commission for sales of O'Gara's book by any
chance?
If you are so uninterested in this post, why are you so intent on persistantly
undermining those who are genuine in their concerns about miscarriages
of justice??? I can only say that Viz is certainly a good read for people
of your mentality. I suggest you go back to your favourite comic mag and
leave this site for the caring, responsible adults who would like to see
'justice' acted out in a proper manner. But then, you must have some interest!!
You do persist in returning to this site with some smarmy comment. You
don't seem to read things thoroughly either...Kay Lentil????? But then
its the same as everything else you have written eh? Wrong!!!! Commission
for sale of Noel O'Gara's book!!! Justice for the living and the dead
would be a more appropriate comment. And protection from the scum of the
earth who are allowed to roam freely...That is obviously of no interest
to you though is it.
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Guidance, peace & love to all. To the followers of Satan, "the
wicked shall get it's reward & the just shall rise again".
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Mazdaman
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
Posts: 178
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:06 pm
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I put "Kay Lentil" to take the pish dear
Noel O'Gara's book is full of holes...he makes things up to fit the facts
that are known. Did you have a look at the page I gave the link too?....the
one that states that two of the attacks carried out by the "Irish
suspect who DROVE away in a Land Rover....this was of course BEFORE O'Gara
taught Billy Tracey to drive....doh
I must give O'Gara some credit though...he's a storyteller of biblical
proportions but I'm afraid its a work of fiction.
There is no huge conspiracy involving Police,Lawyers or Micky Mouse and
you my dear really ought to stop watching so much TV.
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Kay Lintern
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Posts: 18
Location: Earth
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:53 pm
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Mazdaman wrote:
I put "Kay Lentil" to take the pish dear
Noel O'Gara's book is full of holes...he makes things up to fit the facts
that are known. Did yo |